(Hopefully that isn't too confusing) Edit: Alternate theories suggest that they are either separate beings who always worked together, or are the separate heads of one being. Is it just a fun throwback? Dusk may be referred to as "Princess", because she was another Daughter of Gwyn. If I'm not mistaken, I read a while ago there was a method that you could use in order to get the services of Both Kaathe and Frampt in a single Game cycle. Sad, but rather fitting. Out of fear? Next: Best Dark Souls Armor Sets & Where To Get Them, All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. You can talk to Frampt and still have Kaathe appear. Darkstalker Kaathe, Kingseeker Frampt... None of that ever mattered. Ludleth showed no signs of being such. As a primordial serpent, his goal is to shepherd the Dark Lord's return, a path Frampt lost sight of. I don't think this is the case. I just want to know why those statues show a long necked thing with for legs. With PvE characters, I want to take my time, get summoned for bosses, and enjoy the different areas, but for PvP, I want to get the Orb ASAP and get down to business. There's more to Fraampt than meets the eye, but for now the only other assistance he offers is to convert items in the player's inventory to souls by eating them. What else? People have pointed out the skybox looking similar to the original Kiln from the first game. That's the point. What purpose does it serve? So, this has been bothering me for a while--allow me to explain myself. I thought there were rings that described it. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Their name proved to be self-contradictory however, when the gods seized control of the world from the Dragons by stripping them of their stone scales, and therefore their immortality. Note: Darkstalker Kaathe will not appear if you sided with Frampt and placed the Lordvessel. He tests them by sending them to get the Lordvessel. Kaathe presents them with the persona of Frampt, supposed friend to Gwyn. Each gives you 5000 souls on death. 1 Biography 1.1 Legacy 2 Trivia 3 Navigation Like Kingseeker Frampt, Kaathe is a primordial serpent, a snake-like being that came from the Abyss spread by ⦠What sets the serpents apart from their less nosy cousins, however, is their status as advisers and helpers to important gods/humans, and their connection to the Abyss. And Kaathe wishes to rule Lordran while it and its undead citizens are corrupted from the abyss. He simply goes back into his hole, never to be seen again, claiming he will wait for a true Chosen One. Once you talked to Frampt, Kaathe will get upset and won`t show up until new playthrough. The Undead Prophecy, a tool used by Frampt for his plans, is just as beneficial to Kaathe. I have now begun to believe that there was never individual beings named Kingseeker Frampt and Darkstalker Kaathe. A while back someone made a post about Yuria's death dialogue regarding Kaathe. Kaathe's patience was rewarded, as one day, the Dark Lord he desired would arrive in the form of Unkindled Ash. Time goes on. They Ring the Bells. A child Half dark, Half light... who would go on to use the Light Sorceries created by his mother, and the Dark magic created by his father. They appear as some statues in the Dark Souls 3 DLC, and Yuria of Londor mentions Kaathe by name if the player chooses to kill her, revealing his high position among the Sable Church and the Hollows of Londor. The Serpent rings, after all, are the rings that give you more souls and items. (See Here and Here) But we only see traces of Kaathe in the city. Meaning that we must now take what we learn in this city of pygmies and reflect on the events of Dark Souls, so that we may see them in a new light. If successful, this is where the plan splits. You're thinking of the Evil Spirit of the Ring of the evil eye that ravaged Astora. I suppose the serpents are in the game, in a sense. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Let's begin with the Ringed City and Frampt's Hole. He was voiced by Peter Marinker, who also voiced Kingseeker Frampt and Eingyi. That the Serpents have been to this place and had interactions with its inhabitants. Kaathe and Frampt may appear to be on opposite sides, but Frampt's actions are explainable, and ultimately beneficial to the master plan. Darkstalker Kaathe is a Character in Dark Souls.. Encounters. The existence of more serpents hardly changes anything. It is possible the name you are searching has less than five occurrences per year. She would then go on to have a child with Manus. Kaathe allows you to join the Darkwraith covenant, which grants access to an item (the Red Eye Orb) which allows for infinite invasions. An adjustment I'd be wiling to make to the theory is that Frampt and Kaathe were still separate beings, but were always working together. As we know, it makes perfect sense for both of these serpents to be dead, as they were both the SoulFeeder mentioned in the Skull Ring that saw its final days in the Ringed City. There was only ever one Serpent. Basically if you don't talk to Frampt after you've got the Lordvessel and let him take you down into the shine he assumes you've sided with Kaathe (which may or may not be the case). Edit: I would also like to mention that Serpents have always been associated with avarice. The Primordial Serpents are descendants of the Everlasting Dragons that guide the player's character to the two different endings in Dark Souls. Nov 8, 11 at 4:13pm (PST) ^ I returned to the firelink bonfire and spoke to Kingseeker Frampt where he told me he was disappointed in my decision. All of Frampt's actions, from Dark Souls, all the way through Dark Souls 3, served to bring this plan to light. Midir slurped up Kaathe like a noodle confirmed? Get the dark set (My fav armor) and leave convenent for another one like darkmoon (Like I did) Nope, you can`t. Dark Souls 3 gave us more clarification on Kaathe's plans. I'd hope you could tackle Gael and how he went about TRC/ashen ruins of trc and Filianore because I'm trying to make up my own sequential history of things and these two entities, along with the egg, is what makes things difficult to place as fact. Now you can upgrade the covenant level and buy Cracked Red Eye Orbs from him. Why would Frampt ever do that? Frampt, il ricercatore di Re, è un serpente primordiale e amico di Lord Gwyn. A war of the Angelic Faith. So what do we find of our favorite Serpent duo in the city? Usually, this is where the theory would stop. Don't worry, I know we aren't supposed to take the tunnel too literally. This one Serpent would go to great lengths to ensure that one day, humanity would produce a Dark Lord who would lead the world into its next age. Come to think of it, Kaathe does the same thing. Image size. Now, seeing more serpents could mean that Frampt and Kaathe were simply two beings working together, with the other serpents as well. The very statues they erected in Frampt's honor would foreshadow their downfall, and hint at his true intentions all along, as Kaathe always intended. If they truly refer to the serpents, then this would kinda imply that they were two different snakes (maybe heads from the same creature) but also that they shared a common goal. People who may not know a lot about the Dark Souls titles may have come across some rather off-putting images from the game depicting massive serpents with huge noses, gargantuan teeth and some weird, dangly skin mustache. Hey man, you post very well thought out lore theories and I was already a believer of the Angels/Londor is the future theory and have been thinking things with that in place. The first time the player encounters a Primordial Serpent in Dark Souls is likely directly after beating both the Bell Gargoyles in the Undead Burg and Quelaag in Blight Town. But I'd appreciate it if you at least humored the idea as you read this theory. The tunnel in Frampt's hole leads us out to the cliff overlooking the Ringed City. Kaathe has another option, though: just let the flame die out. That Serpent was likely Darkstalker Kaathe. Unfortunately, he didn't live to see it come to fruition. It is just as beneficial to him as it is to Frampt. After all, many are by the fire, forsaken. I will bring up what evidence I have, and try to paint the picture of what really transpired with the Serpents. Dragons predate almost everything in Dark Souls, having existed well before the appearance of the First Flame, the gods, or any humans. Sure enough, we see proof of this in the distant future, where Angels dwell in the ruins of Lothric, forever intertwined with the Londor Pilgrims who were once Lothric citizens. The problem is that I accidentally skipped t Related: Dark Souls: What Praise The Sun Means (& Why It's So Popular Among Fans). Instead, warp back to The Abyss bonfire by using Homeward or Homeward Bone. The Serpent was known as the Soulfeeder, seemingly tying it to Frampt. In a lot ways, it is. We find a destroyed Firelink in the boss room of the Demon Prince. There's no way that they aren't. Unfortunately he's gone for this playthrough. So, it is the act of placing the Lordvessel on the altar that causes Kaathe to not appear, not the act of talking to Frampt. There's just some weirdness with the Serpent's actions that can't be fully explained. Creatures like Darkeater Midir, the Gaping Dragon, and, yes, the Primordial Serpents are all horribly warped versions of the immortal stone Dragons that ruled the world of Dark Souls before it even properly existed. The Skull Ring, judging by the skull we see on the Ring, was transposed from the soul of a Primordial Serpent. We went through Frampt's hole to get to that cliff, right? Frampt for PvE builds, Kaathe for PvP builds; thatâs my philosophy, anyways. Would the two opposing serpents really both be living side by side in this city? No, Manus is not the furtive Pygmy, he is the Father of what we know as modern day man within the Dark Souls world, an offshoot of the Pygmy race, likely a creation of the Gods. Not even in the end does the opposite serpent show up for a last ditch attempt to convince you otherwise. If successful, this is where the plan splits. Before you can access the Duke's Archives you'll need to give the Lord Vessel to Kingseeker Frampt or Darkstalker Kaathe. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. You can use both. Let's run through the plan: Word spreads of the Undead Prophecy to lure undead to Lordran. Numerous statues were erected of what is very likely Frampt, friend of the Gods, advocate to the linking of the fire. such as Frampt and Kaathe being separate, but working together along with the other serpents, or them, along with the other serpents all being heads of one collective being. Like I said: The other serpents don't really change the theory. From that point on, I will refer to the true serpent as Kaathe. At least Kaathe wears his dark side on his proverbial sleeve, an opportunity he offers the player as well by inducting them into the Darkwraith Covenant (the one specifically dedicated to murdering random people for person gain). It is more likely to be Kaathe, based on what we see later on in the DLC. The Dreg Heap is definitely the future, just like with the Kiln, but when we get to the Ringed City itself, it all becomes more uncertain. Dopo averci sedotto, questo essere, ci proporra il Patto Oscuro, uno dei più interessanti. = The only sign of angelic symbolism that existed in Lothric prior to the Angelic Faith was, you guessed it, the statues of the Primordial Serpent. so yeah, frampt may be manipulating you, but so is kaathe, but at least he's doing so to save the world as we know it. If they choose to let it fade and become the Lord of Dark, several other serpents along with Kaathe and Frampt will pledge their loyalty to the player. That's okay. The flame lives, as is necessary, and there is one less oblivious fool to pose a threat to Kaathe's plan. It is rather confusing, figuring out where all these events exist relative to each other. Dark Souls is full of crazy, creepy characters, and two of the most off-putting would have to be the primordial serpents Kingseeker Frampt and Darkstalker Kaathe. The flame must stay alive. I just met Kaathe. Let's go back to the beginning. The Serpent is the Souleater! Once the player traverses the Abyss to defeat the Four Kings in New Londo, Darkstalker Kaathe will appear and illuminate another side to Dark Souls' story of Gwyn and the destiny of the player. In game they are identical, and in file have one models for their Extracted, converted and rigged by me Please, do not re-upload him and don't forget credits, when you use! I spend way to much time thinking about this very theory and longing for my favorite primordial serpents. You have every right to be skeptical of all of this. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more open and connected. Darkstalker Kaathe or Kingseeker Frampt from Dark Souls (c) Yeah, I found him! 1. Remember also that the Locus Preachers were supposed to beckon men to the dark, but were unable to think past their own stomachs. I think that alternate take on the theory is very possible, if not, a little more likely. gwyn frampt kaathe darksouls fromsoftware kaathesnake darksoulsfanart. However, now, seeing the grander picture that Dark Souls 3 has painted, I feel as though it may have been the truth all along. It was all just another part of the plan. If you pick Frampt, and chose to link the fire, he doesn't go "oh shit my bad bro im actually Kaathe, so don't do it". This surprise is none other than Kingseeker Frampt, the Primordial Serpent who acted as lead advisor to Gwyn back in the heyday of the Age of Fire. An excellent read, and a good alternate theory on the Serpents and their motivatons! He needed to be able to lure in an undead mighty enough to succeed Gwyn. ), while all the others are "dragons" that work to end the age of the gods. Save for a few rare examples, all that remains of the Everlasting Dragons are various mutant descendants. If they are curious enough to go against Frampt's request and venture into the Abyss to seek the truth, they are a candidate for Dark Lord. You just can't give Frampt the lord vessel. How can both these serpents be okay with you, one of the most powerful undead alive, as you've proven to be, taking the other side? Kaathe is a Primordial Serpent, just like Kingseeker Frampt.He is the Leader of the Darkwraiths Covenant, and it was he who tempted The Four Kings with the power of Life Drain which, in turn, led to the eventual flooding of New Londo.. He needs a Dark Lord to usurp the Flame, by taking it into their body. The go-to source for comic book and superhero movie fans. Amazing work skeleton! The fire is linked again and again, at the will and orchestration of Frampt and the Gods. However, the same can be said of Kaathe. 2000x1081px 1.57 MB. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Covenant: Darkwraith achievement in Dark Souls: Discover Darkwraith covenant - worth 25 Gamerscore. Frampt being the serpent that defects to the God's side (like Seath! (Really not certain about that though. (Another theory, another time). Sometime later, midir became the darkeater...I believe the darkeater consumed the darkstalker, at some unknown point in time. This repeated fire-linking is not only beneficial, but somewhat necessary, as it, along with the persona of Frampt, will serve to satisfy and lull the remaining Gods into a sense of security, thinking that all is as they wish it to be. We finally get the last pieces of the puzzle on the Oolicile story. If I am going to convince you that Frampt is actually Kaathe, then we first need to address the issues we see with Frampt. Why, oh why, would Kaathe (pretending to be Frampt) even bother leading someone to link the fire as part of his Dark Lord plan? As many have brought up recently, the Ringed City very likely is Courland, home of Ludleth, the Lord of Cinder who sits upon the throne of a Pygmy Lord. Most of the theory still remains though. Whew that was quite a read, but I got through the whole thing and I love it! Conjecture and headcanon but I think the primordial serpents came from the pus of pygmes and the first generation of humans. tldr; Kaathe and Frampt have always been the same being, or at least of the same motive, working to complete a plan that would eventually outlive the Serpents, and end with us becoming the Lord of Hollows at the end of Dark Souls 3. Instead of one serpent, there are two with a common goal. Yeah, I definitly think that will always be a possibility. Kaathe presents them with the persona of Frampt, supposed friend to Gwyn. He may have even been that first Scholar of the Archives, who planted the seeds of doubt in the Prince's minds. Darkstalker Kaathe will appear in the Abyss, after defeating the Four Kings, if the player has not already placed the Lordvessel through Kingseeker Frampt. Souleater has been a thing since DS1 though right? If they are curious enough to go against Frampt's request and venture into the Abyss to seek the truth, they are a candidate for Dark Lord. This encouragement of fire-linking among these chosen undead can go on for as long as necessary, until one worthy of the title of Dark Lord comes along. We don't even know what happened to Frampt I think, at least we know Kaathe has died thru Yuria. My theory was that Kaathe and Frampt were the same being, not that they were the only Serpent in existence. Poiché Gwyn è diventato il carburante per la prima fiamma, Frampt è alla ricerca di un successore per prolungare l'era del fuoco. Hence their connection with the abyss and the undead. He explains to the player that they are the Chosen Undead, a prophesied hero destined to reignite the Age of Fire once more, and then instructs the player on which key historical figures they should go unceremoniously murder next. Kaathe and Frampt have always been hard to figure out, even in the first game. A community dedicated to everything about Dark Souls 3. If they chose to go straight back to Frampt, blindly accepting his words, then they are not the Undead Kaathe wants, nor the Undead he needs. Unfortunatly, after defeating the four kings, Kaathe did not show up. He doesn't seem overly upset or disturbed by it, nor does he attempt to get you back to his side. The only way he even has an opportunity to attempt to find a Dark Lord is because of the Undead Prophecy that lures undead to Lordran. The idea that he would just bow down to you so easily, as an ally to the Gods, who is against the coming of a Dark Lord, seems... odd. How unique is the name Frampt? The second Primordial Serpent the player can meet appears much later in the game, and only if they neglect to place the Lordvessel in front of Gwyn's tomb for Frampt (meaning that they will have to get by with no fast travel). Show More. "Kaathe and Frampt will serve your highness". Which ties this all back to the idea that Kaathe and Frampt have always been the same Serpent. The next thing, that we have never quite been able to figure out, is the dialogue from Kaathe if you pick his ending. Find guides to this achievement here. I will begin speaking of them as two different individuals, before eventually explaining why both are truly just Kaathe. if you just walk away and become the dark lord, well, everythings screwed. You may ultimately decide that this theory is a bunch of silly head-cannon, and leave it at that. This was how Oolicile was convinced to disturb the sleep of Manus, the Primeval man. He tests them by sending them to get the Lordvessel. Man I thought that painting was a teaser for the next DLC, oh well Midir is hella. Curious, no? They collect the Lord Souls, their serpent buddy carries them through the Abyss to the Kiln of the First Flame, and the player fights the final big bad before choosing to either relight the First Flame or let it fade. An entire culture is built around it, celebrating and glorifying this act of Linking the First Flame, with the Kingdom of Lothric becoming the centerpiece of this Culture. I know it's never gonna happen, but if they ever decided to continue the Dark Souls series I want it to take place after the flame fades for good and I want Darkstalker Kaathe to be the main antagonist. As we know, in the later days of Lothric, a war began. Edit: There are some alternate takes on the theory being discussed below. Doesn't this strike you as odd? That being said, Kaathe, hands down, presents himself as far more trustworthy than Frampt. I think kaathe got sick of frampt trying to find more dudes to set on fire, so he killed, or possibly ate, him. Once you have vessel, stop talking to him, and go kill Four Kings. Kaathe is also responsible for many tragic events within Dark Soul lore, like the destruction of both New Londo and Oolacile by way of the Abyss' influence, but his story still has an element of truth to it, making Frampt's version of the story a dubious act of misdirection. The whole point of the Dreg Heap is that all the lands are mushing together, so they could justify putting in Firelink just for nostalgia. Frampt has 11,120 HP; the giant bird has 1,160 HP; and Kaathe has 24,464 hp. We are an undead powerful enough to retrieve the Lordvesel, and have sided with a Serpent who wants us to become the Dark Lord, and Frampt is just going to let that happen without a fight? (The hole goes down into an Abyss Chasm, is shaped just right for a serpent, and has an Oolicile inhabitant praying in front of it. As you'd expect, we see the residual footprint of the Primordial Serpent. Based on Kaathe's dialogue, and Frampt's reaction when you side with Kaathe, we know that these two serpents are aware of each other's existence, and likely aware of each other's plans. A one-stop shop for all things video games. This part of Frampt's plan is necessary in order to find the next Lord of Cinder. It was in Frampt's best interest to keep it a secret, as he was never their ally to begin with. Many of us never thought too much on that, the Primordial Serpents may have very well been the biggest example of this greed that Serpents are known for. First off, we see more strange Primordial Serpent statues. The hole definitely implies that Frampt knew about, and likely visited, the Ringed City. I believe this dialogue was another hint at them being the same serpent all along. In summary, as soon as you get the Lordvessel (DO NOT SPEAK TO FRAMPT), head to New Londo Ruins, make your way to The Four Kings and voilá, Kaathe and the most hidden Covenant in the game. We don't actually know for sure if this statue depicts serpents in general, or if it is Kaathe or Frampt specifically. Like an underground resistance movement trying to use whatever/whoever they can (Manus, New Londo, the player character in DS1, Sable Church, etc.) Kaathe I think is a pus of the furtive Pygmy which is why he's so devoted to the age of man. Little did the Gods know, it was all part of Kaathe's plan. Both of those possibilities work just as well with what I've written about below. Especially when we get the Gael fight. Why would we do that if he has no presence in the DLC? The theory that Kaathe and Frampt are the same being has always been floating around since the first game. Now that the the series is over, it never will be. He instructs the player to go to Anor Londo and obtain the Lordvessel. Frampt wants to rule Lordran with the Surviving gods, while you are guarding the Kiln. The people of Oolicile would travel back and forth to the Ringed City, where they would commune with the Primordial Serpent at the hole above Midir's room. 2. 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Why? Have you seen Vaati's video about the paintings in the Ariandel boss arena? Those who are strong and determined will ring the Bells of Awakening. Massive snake-like beings intent on pushing the Chosen Undead toward either kindling or extinguishing the First Flame, they're some of the most important NPCs in the entire series. XNAlara and FBX to the right MikuMikuDance here sta.sh/0212wss0s1zy Have fun! They just present an alternate angle to view it. Kaathe isn't going to pretend he wants you to link the fire, then actually let you do it if that was never his true intention. We may never know his true name, but we do know his true intentions. Admittedly, I can't really prove that its all true. However, it all seems to fit together quite nicely, and make for a nice little narrative, wouldn't you say? Manus and dusk may very well be the Adam and Eve of modern humanity. The plan proceeds down the Frampt route to take advantage of this. He is the Leader of the Darkwraiths Covenant, and it ⦠IMAGE DETAILS. The Curse of Life is the Curse of Want, and Men, much like Serpents, harbor a deep and powerful greed within their souls. Weird things about the name Frampt: The name spelled backwards is Tpmarf. However, that doesn't invalidate what /u/Arx724 has put together from there on out about Susanoo and the similarities to the Firstborn/Nameless King. The fact that this interpretation is so different from the Lothric versions means that people within this world don't really know what they look like any more than the players do, which is oddly fitting. starting to like it total posts: 65 since: Nov 2006. Talk to Kaathe, he'll offer you "the art of Lifedrain" (i.e., Darkwraith covenant). Perhaps we are kindred spirits. I've spent a lot of time thinking about this as I replayed the Ringed City DLC on NG+2. Out of 6,028,151 records in the U.S. Social Security Administration public data, the first name Frampt was not present. Kingseeker Frampt, il Serpente Primordiale, è in un sonno profondo sotto il Santuario Firelink quando i Non morti scelti iniziano la loro missione. Kaathe is also responsible for many tragic events within Dark Soul lore, like the destruction of both New Londo and Oolacile by way of the Abyss' influence, but his story still has an element of truth to it, making Frampt's version of the story a dubious act of misdirection. Once the player has rung each of the Bells of Awakening behind said bosses, a surprise will be found waiting for them back at Firelink Shrine. They are similar to the ones in Lothric in the sense that the artist seems to be attempting to interpret what the body of the serpents might actually look like. I think Kaathe and Frampt were definitely against each other. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. There was only ever Kaathe, and the false identity he created known as Kingseeker Frampt. That's why my favorite ending of all the games is the second ending in ds2, where you can't hollow or truly die, and are a lord of light and darkness. The Flame lives on, and the age of Fire persists for many years to come. Fun Facts about the name Frampt. Frampt appare nel Santuario del Legame del Fuoco dopo che il non-morto prescelto suona entrambe le Campane del Risveglio.⦠Kaathe, posing as the Serpent Frampt leads them on to the Kiln, and removes the threat from the equation by allowing them to link the fire. Darkstalker Kaathe is the central antagonist of the 2011 videogame Dark Souls and the unseen overarching antagonist of the Artorias Of The Abyss DLC. An adjustment I'd be wiling to make to the theory is that Frampt and Kaathe were still separate beings, but were always working together. It's strange that a Kingdom that befriended a Serpent would be oblivious to the church founded by his arch nemesis Kaathe. It should also be mentioned that this "SoulFeeder" dwelling in the Ringed City fits really well with the theme of "feasting" we hear from the locus and see from Gael. clearly the land has changed, and the hole is not as it was in Dark Souls. However, this ring was one of Courland's transposed wonders. Kaathe Frampt is on Facebook. The conclusion here, is that you taking either path doesn't ultimately disturb either of their plans. Undead are lured to Lordran with the promise or learning the fate of the undead. Or at the very least, he doesn't seem to want you to know the truth of humanity. I went back to Frampt and he said some lines and disappeared. No, it just doesn't add up. He was willing to wait until the end of time to complete his plans. 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